Gerard Butler Hangs Baby Outside Window À La Michael Jackson

[GBPhanatic]

When Gerry was on Jonathan Ross, he was presented with a King Leo teddy bear. What do you want to bet the "potted plant" is Gerry's bear? Look at the top of the "plant".

I think Gerry was just putting on the press and he was totally adorable and funny! I doubt he meant anything serious about it.

Suzie

I'll bet that's exactly what it was! It did look like the top of a stuffed animal!

You know he's just very over tired and he gets playful... Ask me how I know.....I wish I did!! [/b]

Someone said it...he's a 14 year old in a mans body sometimes.

Frannie

That's what I said before, Frannie, he's bouncing off the walls......worse than normal! He may be 14 in a man's body but what a body!

Well I am now and always will be a huge Michael Jackson fan and have never said anything negative about him b/c jabbing fun at him like everyone else just feeds into the media frenzy, and I for one refuse to be a part of that. I refuse to fuel such cynicism.

I am also a fan of MJ! I was terribly saddened by his death. I was also skeptical about the allegations held against MJ and didn't feed in to it and thought it sad he was the brunt of jokes. Having said that, MJ did some questionable things and you can't deny that. Some of which eventually killed him. That doesn't negate his vast contribution to the music world or the good things he did. There have been things he did to fellow artists in the business too that's verifiable but the artists involved have the class and grace not to make a big deal of it (Paul McCartney and Paul Anka). I loved MJ's music and felt he was a genius and little misunderstood, but that's it.

Michael Jackon is no longer alive and I am appalled that he still continues to be ridiculed and mocked....let the King of Pop rest in peace already.

Elvis jokes ran rampant for years. Another tragic icon died at his own hands actually but it sadly comes with the territory.

I AM livid!!! This is in no way funny at all.I am very disappointed in Gerard.There is no rational justification for this!!! Dead or Alive how could anyone say this was funny?We are all entitled to our opinions but in the subsequent aftermath,I see now that Michael was clearly not in his right frame of mind when he did that due to substance abuse! Gerard could have found another way to cause a stir.He stood up in that audience at the VMAS and applauded Janet and then did this! Would he reenact Kurt Cobain's,Heath Ledger's,David Carradine's,DJ AM's tragic endings for a laugh? I think not.If he put on some skis and hit a tree like Natasha Richardson,Sonny Bono or Michael Kennedy would we fall off our collective seats laughing? Maybe he should just fall off the stage at an event a la Steven Tyler for our amusement? He needs to take some serious time off....

Again, I apologize for not remembering who quoted this but all of these people you just listed did not display the kind of erradic and odd behavior that MJ did before their demise, which put him in the way for jokes to be made before he died. Having said, that no one is making fun of someone because they died and as I said before, jokes of this nature were made at Elvis Presley for years, especially the "fat" jokes and it was sad but a reality. Even MJ compared himself to Elvis in that regard.

If my take on this incident has perturbed others, that's sad,I can't change that, nor do I wish to.I will continue to post etc.I know how to reign in my emotions very well.For the record though,I've been around him.Yes he is spontaneous and high spirited...I just feel this was in poor taste.I don't condone it.A myriad of feelings flooded me as soon as I saw it and they were not good.My" fandom" is intact.No one has license to censure what I feel,I take great umbrage at that..

I'm not perturbed at all except for maybe distressed at the level of your disgust with Gerry. Gerry does things sometimes that are considered tasteless but that's Gerry. I don't always condone everything he does or says and I have gotten perturbed with him and come on the site and looked at his face and said, "I'm PO'd at you right now, Mr. Butler". But I won't come on the site and voice it because this is a support community and it's open for any and many eyes to see and if I'm hacked at him, I just won't say anything. If he does something that would upset me to the point of loosing my admiration and respect, I will just disappear from the board, but that's just me.

I think you make a good point about the poor taste. These last 3 or 4 days have not been his forte, sorry MHO.

We have a saying in Greece: the one who loves me makes me cry, the one who doesn't makes me laugh. When you care about someone the way we care for Gerry, it is important to be honest and criticise when criticism is due. Saying how cute and adorable he is all the time doesn't help him much. He knows that, the world knows that. There comes a time when he needs to know that being the class clown is not to his benefit. Think about parenting: if you have a child who's naughty, yeah at times you might find some of the things they do adorable and secretly laugh inside. But you know you need to protect them by teaching them where they need to draw the line and you know it is for their own benefit to tell them off at times. You need to "make them cry". I feel though that when it comes to Gerry, most of us are prepared to let him get away with murder and find it cute. I am not. It doesn't mean I am less of a fan or I will stop supporting him. I believe though that we are doing him a greater good when we are unpleasant if we must than sing his praisers all the time, no matter what.

Theresa

I think I get that saying. In other words, you're not doing them any favors by being codependent. Gerry hires people that are suppose to "protect" him and set him straigh, I hope. He doesn't need us for that.

My own son may do something that is crass and tasteless and I may chastise him for it, heavily, but at the same time I might be laughing at it myself and that may seem encouraging him, but if it is something that was down right damaging to someone else then it's no laughing matter and he would know that without relying on me to tell him or there will be hell to pay.

What Gerry did was one of his ill thought through, spontaneous moments. He has those and then he pays for them later, however, I don't see what he did any worse then Letterman, Leno or anyone else in the entertainment business does making jokes at MJ's or anyone else's expense.

I wish Gerry wouldn't have done this. I just think it was in poor taste. He's got too much class for this. It makes him appear callous - and he isn't. JMHO

BlueJean[/size]

Well if it makes him appear callous, then wouldn't he be? The definition of "callous" to me would be someone who would deliberately say or do something with no regard as to how their remarks or their actions hurt someone. Is this what he did?

All of this posting here from supposedly loyal fans, of their disappointment in what he did is here in plain view on the internet and the next thing you know, unsavory entities may read what we say and further use this against Gerry and his little escapade. We have a few approprate icons that I wish people would employ instead of vocalizing their distain.

For this, I don't think it's that big of a deal. I've heard him say tactless things before but voicing our disappointment in something Gerry does here on the site is, I think, in poor taste. We need to probably move on and those who need to do some "soul searching" take some time to do so. I do it all the time.

Michael Jackson has left a legacy of enduring music and a tragic history of dysfunctional & delusional behavior. It’s up to Jackson’s fans to figure out to deal with the complexities of that. That has nothing to do with Gerard Butler or his actions at all.

Well said.

Gerry's a lot like Dennis the Menace. He's a lovable, sometimes calamity infected boy who's heart is in the right place but he doesn't think his antics through to their outcome and he leaves a wake behind of destruction. He trotts away from the scene of the accident, sometimes looking back at it and questioning himself why he did it and not understanding fully why it upset so many people. That's not an excuse, that's just Gerry.

Gerry and Michael are similar in so many ways. As someone said, they are like Peter Pan, the boy who never grew up. But in both of their defenses, I've seen Michael respond to situations as well as Gerry, particularly in their crafts, with grace under fire and extreme professionalism and poise. That, to me, personifies the definition of what being a responsible, grown man is about.

Delene

P.S. I am glad it was not Lolita, like someone suggested! That, I would have had very strong issue with myself and may have affected my continued support, but I know Gerry knows better then that and would have never subjected her to that danger.

Edited November 19, 2009 by GBPhanatic

[Dr. Em]

Gerry himself said "You keep supporting me and I'll keep supporting you."

I suppose I'm just not feeling that this has been very equally balanced of late. Those people who waited for hours in line at the Glasgow premiere were not all local Glaswegians or Scots. They were fans from all over the planet. Fans who have conventions and 'global celebrations' should not be mocked (but we are, and I accept that to an extent). Not necessarily mocked by Gerry, but when mocked by others, a kind word in our defense would be quite pleasant to hear from him.

(Red text and bold above added for emphasis.)

I agree with you 110%! You go girl!

[Jeb]

The man bends over backwards to acknowledge his fans, spend as much time with them as possible at every premiere, supports their auctions endlessly, and it's never enough. 'He loves me but he doesn't love me enough.'

The end of that quote, "You keep supporting me and I'll keep supporting you. . . " was ". . by continuing to make more films."

How many times does he have to thank us? How many times does he have to send messages and acknowledge us? Why are we allowed to criticize his speech, his dress, his actions, his choices endlessly but if he isn't flattering us, we're hurt? We constantly call him immature, foolish, or reckless but we're all mature, sensible and politically correct? Gerry was once cautioned by a friend not to acknowledge his fanbase because it would be a mistake. I sometimes wonder if he remembers that friend with understanding now.

If he will suffer 'backlash', why does it have to start with us? The rest of the world moves on but we magnify every imagined fault as if it is the sum of his character and behavior.

And lest I be misunderstood, this is aimed at no individual. This is my opinion of things as posted the past several days and my opinion only. It will not change any one elses opinion or stifle them in any way nor should it.

jane

[DNice09]

DQ is entitled to her opinion. I didn't think it was funny. That's my opinion. Life is moving on.

What's more distrubing to me is if someone states a differing opinion they are told they're opinion is wrong, or they need a break? Why? Because they don't agree with you? People have disagreements everyday and continue to thrive. Bullying is not a good look on anyone.

Just because someone doesn't like what he's done or said doesn't mean that they hate him, or think ill of him. They're just offereing a different view point.

There are some really great and nice posters on here, and I really don't feel they should be silenced because they have a different opinion.

JMO

D

OK, I get we are all entitled to our OPINIONS! How the hell ever... you DIDNOT just call a fellow GAL a fooking BULLY!!??

MODS~ I think this has gone far enough. There will be nothing else gained by this thread. Slap me if I need it, but as a victim of bulling, my hackles are waaaaayyy up.

Actually those were your words. I've been a victim of bullying too, and other not so pleasant things.

If you have anything to address to me please feel free to send me a pm.

D

[terezoulini]

Gerry himself said "You keep supporting me and I'll keep supporting you."

I suppose I'm just not feeling that this has been very equally balanced of late. Those people who waited for hours in line at the Glasgow premiere were not all local Glaswegians or Scots. They were fans from all over the planet. Fans who have conventions and 'global celebrations' should not be mocked (but we are, and I accept that to an extent). Not necessarily mocked by Gerry, but when mocked by others, a kind word in our defense would be quite pleasant to hear from him.

(Red text and bold above added for emphasis.)

I agree with you 110%! You go girl!

Finally someone agrees with me! But why didn't you say so when I was trying to make this point about the Scott Mills interview? This is the exact thing I was saying! But no one (well except one or two maybe) agreed then and, given the positive posts from fans who were at the premiere, I was convinced that I was overreacting, that I was being an unappreciative fan, that I failed to understand Gerry etc. to the point that I ended apologising to everyone and their brother! :-) I don't get it. Did it have to come from an older member to make it OK?

I'm sorry, this is not a good day for me here, I guess... :-(

Theresa

[discoveringme]

Let me try this a different way:

I didn't gather from anyone's previous posts that they were trying to tell Gerry what to do. They were expressing an opinion that they personally didn't find this particular thing was charming, funny, cute or whatever else has been used to describe it. We can express our opinions, no matter how varied, in a respectful way. Others may disagree, of course, but no one should be made to feel that they can't express their own.

That was my point of my previous post, that simply because someone disagrees with an opinion you might have, it doesn't mean they are wrong nor criticizing you for YOUR opinion. (The YOU in this case is not directed at anyone in particular, but rather the generic YOU.)

Expressing displeasure at something Gerry does should not somehow imply that one needs to examine one's own fandom. By his own admission, he's a bit of F*** Up. His words. And yeah, that means that he's going to do something that makes us roll our eyes from time to time, some more than others. When someone DOES express their eye-rolling on the board, they shouldn't be told to not feel the way they do as long as they did so in a respectful way.

[Dr. Em]

I'm sorry if some people have been offended by some comments that are less than flattering to G, but I think to silence those who have dissenting opinions wouldn't be right either.

This is a fansite to support G, but there are times that perhaps G needs a wee hand slap. Does that mean we don't still support his career and him as a person? Of course not! I think as long as people are RESPECTFUL in their opinions/comments it's all fair game.

I do think we all just need to take a deep breath and realize that in the grand scheme of things, this really doesn't even matter.

Dayna

[heISmyGspot]

Gerry's got enough to do dealing with people who have misconceptions about HIM, nevermind misconceptions about his fanbase. LOL

I have no problem defending myself/ourselves as a member of his fanbase. That comes with the territory. As is the case with Gerry himself, you either get him or you don't. And, as evidenced by this very thread, those of us that "get him," have differing opinions.

In his own words, he thinks we like him because he's a "bit of a f*ck up." That is true to a great extent. Each of us has a different degree of "f*cked up-ness" which is acceptable.

For those of us that work ALL YEAR LONG to pull a shin-dig like Vegas together for the purpose of celebrating him and all his f*cked-up glory WHILE taking on the task of fundraising for more important causes like women and children breaking the cycle of domestic abuse, cancer research, Toys for Tots, etc., it is much appreciated when he publicly supports the effort and does not take a cavalier approach. His generosity in such efforts is one of his endearing qualities, to be sure.

ETA: "MERGE!!" (For newbies, this is an old phrase we use in chat. It's the equivalent of "we both spoke, you owe me a coke" or "Jinx" LOL)

[GBPhanatic]

Edited November 19, 2009 by GBPhanatic

[Swansong]

I'm sorry if some people have been offended by some comments that are less than flattering to G, but I think to silence those who have dissenting opinions wouldn't be right either.

This is a fansite to support G, but there are times that perhaps G needs a wee hand slap. Does that mean we don't still support his career and him as a person? Of course not! I think as long as people are RESPECTFUL in their opinions/comments it's all fair game.

I do think we all just need to take a deep breath and realize that in the grand scheme of things, this really doesn't even matter.

Dayna

I don't know, Dayna. A lot of issues are being brought up on this thread that have obviously been troubling people for some time. Maybe a good airing out is what we need and then we can all go back to drooling later. I think this thread has been productive.

[heISmyGspot]

Reminder to keep the thread on topic, please. (Which is Gerard's antics, not the validity of Jackson's medical treatment).

[Dr. Em]

I'm sorry if some people have been offended by some comments that are less than flattering to G, but I think to silence those who have dissenting opinions wouldn't be right either.

This is a fansite to support G, but there are times that perhaps G needs a wee hand slap. Does that mean we don't still support his career and him as a person? Of course not! I think as long as people are RESPECTFUL in their opinions/comments it's all fair game.

I do think we all just need to take a deep breath and realize that in the grand scheme of things, this really doesn't even matter.

Dayna

I don't know, Dayna. A lot of issues are being brought up on this thread that have obviously been troubling people for some time. Maybe a good airing out is what we need and then we can all go back to drooling later. I think this thread has been productive.

And I agree with you, which is why we aren't closing this thread.

[Swansong]

I'm sorry if some people have been offended by some comments that are less than flattering to G, but I think to silence those who have dissenting opinions wouldn't be right either.

This is a fansite to support G, but there are times that perhaps G needs a wee hand slap. Does that mean we don't still support his career and him as a person? Of course not! I think as long as people are RESPECTFUL in their opinions/comments it's all fair game.

I do think we all just need to take a deep breath and realize that in the grand scheme of things, this really doesn't even matter.

Dayna

I don't know, Dayna. A lot of issues are being brought up on this thread that have obviously been troubling people for some time. Maybe a good airing out is what we need and then we can all go back to drooling later. I think this thread has been productive.

And I agree with you, which is why we aren't closing this thread.

Thank you.

[irish]

The man bends over backwards to acknowledge his fans, spend as much time with them as possible at every premiere, supports their auctions endlessly, and it's never enough. 'He loves me but he doesn't love me enough.'

The end of that quote, "You keep supporting me and I'll keep supporting you. . . " was ". . by continuing to make more films."

How many times does he have to thank us? How many times does he have to send messages and acknowledge us? Why are we allowed to criticize his speech, his dress, his actions, his choices endlessly but if he isn't flattering us, we're hurt? We constantly call him immature, foolish, or reckless but we're all mature, sensible and politically correct? Gerry was once cautioned by a friend not to acknowledge his fanbase because it would be a mistake. I sometimes wonder if he remembers that friend with understanding now.

If he will suffer 'backlash', why does it have to start with us? The rest of the world moves on but we magnify every imagined fault as if it is the sum of his character and behavior.

And lest I be misunderstood, this is aimed at no individual. This is my opinion of things as posted the past several days and my opinion only. It will not change any one elses opinion or stifle them in any way nor should it.

jane

Jane, well said! Thank you.

[Iliessa]

In watching this transpire over the last few hours, I've been struck by something.

Is this as important as world peace?

Will this end the cycle of domestic violence that the shade tree deals with everyday?

Will this find me my cure for cancer?

Will this end the suffering of the many other small trees, or stuffed animals from reaching the same fate in the hands of a college frat boy who will constantly try to amuse his friends by copying this?

No....it was a snippet of a moment in time where a man, made of flesh blood and bone was punch happy and tried to find amusement in the small things.

Instead of picking it apart, how about treasuring it for what it is. Taking the time to enjoy the quirkiness that is the individual that is Gerard Butler and leave it at that. We all have good and bad days, but there's precious few allotted, it's up to us as to how we choose to make the most of them.

[RandomLanda]

A-fooking-men!

[Skatingfan03]

I guess I was the only one to not find this funny.....call me a buzz kill...but I think taking jabs at MJ post mortum is kind of cruel. just my two cents.

That is not the way I understand it. In my opinion Gerard took a jab at the paparazzis, LOL.

Edited November 19, 2009 by Skatingfan03

[blueangel]

I want to say something as well.

Gerry is and hopefully will always be who is and has been for years. The goofball we love.

He hasn't changed over the years but I do have a feeling that we are changing over time.

It's normal you want to protect the ones you care for and all of us here care for him but...

Why would he suddenly have to be more careful than othertimes? Because we think stupid of him?

When MJ did that with his boy, did you forgive him? And that was a kid!

Gerry may have not thought this through but like many said before, that's just the way he is, that's why we love him.

Does this thing mean that this should stop? We have all opinions about it and that's a good thing but I won't call it stupid.

I don't care what other people think about him. I only care for him.

Everybody makes mistakes and he is not a perfect man, however some people think he is.

If MJ's fans could forgive MJ for doing that, I can forgive Gerry and stand by him.

If you're married and you husband does something stupid, you can tell him but does that mean that you love him less?

Gerry does everything he can for his fans and EVERYBODY knows that.

He has just turned 40 and he doesn't like it, that can make you do stupid stuff, just to let everybody show you're still the same goofball as ever. And don't forget how tired he is, that does some strange things as well. I can speak for myself when I'm dead tired.

I liked MJ and his music ever since being a kid and I have never cared about all the rumors that followed him and I have laughed seeing that picture as well.

I am a fan of Gerry and he does not need me to tell him how he should live his life or what he should or shouldn't do.

He has people enough surrounding him telling him all of that.

And you know what? It's not as if he's drunk every night, or he's doing drugs or something like that.

That would be far more worse so I can easily forgive him a misjudge of behavior.

I think we can be very proud of him and the things he accomplished through the years.

He is a unique man and I love the way he is, he makes me laugh, the world is often too serious.

Were there more men like him, the world would be a better place

But hey, those are just my

[Cassey]

I found his expression in the pictures so funny, just his playful, dorky, goofy self.

This thread is over analytical people.

I respect everyone's opinions and I also disagree with things he says or does at times.

He is not ours to control like a robot, we know he is not perfect. He owes us nothing , even if he said he was to support his fandom, what else can he say, he tolerates and puts up with the screaming fans and I am sure at times he even enjoys it. I find him to be generous and gracious to the max but feel he owes no one here a thing. Get real people.

What I love about the Butler is that he is and continues to be himself and he does what he wants when he wants, he has not hurt anyone to my knowledge, at least not one of his fans.

I love the man with his flaws and his many talents.

His Mum (whom he adores) who seems a sensible and gracious woman, has not been able to control him, neither have his publicists and they represent big bucks, why should he change because some fans don't like what he did?

[Sasharose]

I just want to briefly touch upon Gerry's support for his fans. In interviews too numerous to mention both on TV and radio and in print he has commented on how supportive his fans are and has pointed out how much they do for charity. Now, because he didn't get all hot and bothered when someone poked a little good-natured fun at fan conventions, some are upset with him? I don't get it.

The only other thing I want to add is that I'm not so sure if all this bickering is really clearing the air or just pouring salt on wounds.

[Knight Phantom]

I got it! In the words of Craig, "Numpty!" That's what Gerry was being, a numpty.

[MareksLadyD]

Not that my opinion is law or sought out or highly valued or anything, but I dont think its up to me to approve or disapprove of anything Gerry does. With the exception of being disappointed in a film (which I have been, they all arent the greatest) He does what he does and sometimes its hilarious and sometimes its cringeworthy, mostly somewhere inbetween. But my reaction is not the same as everyone else's and it is not my place to school him on what is and is not appropriate behavior. Let's leave that to his PR team LOL

I also do not think that it is my place to school fans on what is or is not a "harsh" opinion. Harsh being a word Ihave seen more than once in the last couple days. Maybe someone over reacted, maybe they under reacted. Its not my place to say, because it is how THEY feel.

ANd just for the record I thought it was a dumb joke but the look on his face made me laugh. But it was a plant. No one was at risk. And Gerry needs to hire someone to water the plants in his apartment!

Edited November 19, 2009 by MareksLadyD

[AbandonThought]

C'mon people now

Smile on your brother

Everybody get together

Try to love one another right now...

Just thought we could use a little bit of that Kumbaya spirit.

Steph

[terezoulini]

If you're married and you husband does something stupid, you can tell him but does that mean that you love him less?

I would say that this statement just about sums it up for me but then I may put all us fans in a dangerous position because someone like that Viv woman from BBC Scotland might read it and think that we all think we are Gerry's wives! :-)

Theresa

[dairyqueen]

It's all much ado about nothing. I think anyone who is livid over a silly joke about Michael Jackson needs some rest, not Gerry.

Sasha I'm still livid and I stand by what I said.Gerry is my baby and always will be.It's not much ado about nothing to me okay? Now get some rest ya hear?