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My thoughts about Coriolanus

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I just finished reading the play and I'm already day dreaming about award speaches. Especially the last scene where Marcius and Aufidius have their face off and Aufidius kills Marcius is very powerful. I could so imagine both Ralph and Gerry in it, they're so perfect for these roles!

The play itself seemed a bit short to me, I wonder how they are going to expand the script and still make justice to the work of the Bard. I also wonder if they are keeping the original language or if it's going to be modernised. I would imagine the latter because we already know that Ralph is going for a more modern look with machine guns and all. Can you imagine Gerry saying: "Whence comest thou? What wouldst thou? Thy name? " :-)

Aufidius appears at about the middle of the play, I hope we get him a bit sooner in the film. I also wonder what look they have decided he is going for? Gamer buffiness sounds like a look that a general might have, but I'm not all too keen on that. 300 look is definitely out of the question; hardly anyt time to achieve it and I don't think Gerry would even consider it, too painful to get there; plus we don't want it either. Maybe a bit of Clyde?

I wish I had seen Ralph's interpretation in the theatre, then I'd know more of what to expect. I have a friend who is a devoted RF and had seen the play many times in London and now she remembers nothing. :-( I guess she was too distracted by Ralph.

And now, to cheapen what was so far a serious comment by a fan who is only interested in Ralph's and Gerry's craft, there is no s*x in the play. :-) There is some hope for Ralph's fans because Marcius' wife is an actual character depicted in the play, but there is no Mrs Aufidius. I mean he implies he is married but we see no wife. Darn, I was hoping for a good bye night before they march off to Rome, you know a la 300. Anyway, maybe the Director will be creative. :-)

Theresa

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So; does Gerry's character get killed off in this one?

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So; does Gerry's character get killed off in this one?

No, only Ralph's who is murdered by Gerry' character. I hope they keep it this way. I can so see the rage in Gerry's eyes when he kills Marcius.

T

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Personally, I really hope they don't modernize it, but I suspect since there's guns, etc. I absolutely adore Shakespeare's work and I cried (not happy tears) when Romeo & Juliet was made into a modern production. Even with the language. However, I'm always one to give the benefit of the doubt and not judge things before I see them, so hopefully it will be as good as the rest of his works. I haven't been disappointed by one of his movies yet, so there's a plus.

Even though the play itself is short, I should think the director/scriptwriters have extended a lot of non-vocalised scene to make it more artistic, or obviously, to make it longer. However, I think with reading it myself, it seems shorter than it actually is when put together as a featured act. A lot of setting up the atmosphere, maybe some narration, scenery shots, etc.

However, I'm really interested in seeing how this pans out. It should be great fun to see another Shakespeare work done by modern artists. The last I believe I saw was Al Pacino's Richard III

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I'm chomping at the bit for this one. So many posibilities.

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I don't think it is that short (at least, not that much shorter than other plays of Shakespeare). I saw it in out theatre (some thirty years ago, they did not stage it since then, and read it as well at that time) and was impressed very much (then). I have already downloaded it and definitely will read it again. But they always play it as a full-length performance, it is really not that short (also, the characters do not just speak on stage, there is also action - fighting, for example, in this case).

From what they write about it, I am afraid, it is almost certain that it will be a modern version. I think the play deals with a moral problem (of the main character) that can appear in any period. So I can imagine the story to be put in a different time period without losing its power. In that case, a modern language would better fit.

In any case, I am really looking forward to this film. So far, neither Mr. Butler nor Mr. Fiennes (especially Ralph, but it could be extended to all the family) have ever disappointed me, so it definitelly will not happen this time either. :wave::wave::wave:

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So; does Gerry's character get killed off in this one?

No, only Ralph's who is murdered by Gerry' character. I hope they keep it this way. I can so see the rage in Gerry's eyes when he kills Marcius.

T

Thanks for that information terezoulini ; but I am still confused with what this movie will be based on? Is it Shakespear or about a Mafia king? The mention of keeping or taking out the "Thee's and thy's" does not sound like something that includes "machine guns"!

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Sadly, I surmise that they are going to do what will sell the most theater tickets! It

is always about $$ it seems. I was hoping for a period piece with updated language.

In otherwords, the movie is "based" on the Shakespeare play--and nobody know just

how close it will follow the play. Maybe I am ahead not to try to read the original. I do

try not to compare these things--it is like apples and oranges, IMHO. I do think they

have some incredible talent for this movie.

Judy

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So; does Gerry's character get killed off in this one?

No, only Ralph's who is murdered by Gerry' character. I hope they keep it this way. I can so see the rage in Gerry's eyes when he kills Marcius.

T

Thanks for that information terezoulini ; but I am still confused with what this movie will be based on? Is it Shakespear or about a Mafia king? The mention of keeping or taking out the "Thee's and thy's" does not sound like something that includes "machine guns"!

They're taking the premise and modernizing it. The plot will be the same, but the setting, etc. will be different. It's Shakespeare modernized. Not sure how better to explain it.

I have an idea ... rent 10 Things I Hate About you. It was one of Heath Ledger's early films and it's The Taming of the Shrew modernized. THAT should give you a good idea of what we mean.

Personally, I'm thrilled for this and I can't wait to see how they do it and Gerry's spin on the character. He always puts a bit of himself in each one. I really like Ralph Finnes, too, so I think it's gonna be fantastic.

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So; does Gerry's character get killed off in this one?

No, only Ralph's who is murdered by Gerry' character. I hope they keep it this way. I can so see the rage in Gerry's eyes when he kills Marcius.

T

Thanks for that information terezoulini ; but I am still confused with what this movie will be based on? Is it Shakespear or about a Mafia king? The mention of keeping or taking out the "Thee's and thy's" does not sound like something that includes "machine guns"!

They're taking the premise and modernizing it. The plot will be the same, but the setting, etc. will be different. It's Shakespeare modernized. Not sure how better to explain it.

I have an idea ... rent 10 Things I Hate About you. It was one of Heath Ledger's early films and it's The Taming of the Shrew modernized. THAT should give you a good idea of what we mean.

Or Richard III with Sir Ian McKellan, which was updated to pre WWII Europe. The setting was modernized but in all other aspects, it was Shakespeare's play, including language. (And it was phenomenal, imho)

In any case, they could go in either of the 2 directions cited above and depending on the adaptation, and considering the players involved, come up with a winning combination.

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We've all seen a bit of the dark side in G's chracters for a long time. (pause for klench)

I'm really looking forward to seeing him sink his teeth into a true "bad guy". I may need to re-read the play but I don't think there was the moral ambiguity we've seen before.

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So; does Gerry's character get killed off in this one?

No, only Ralph's who is murdered by Gerry' character. I hope they keep it this way. I can so see the rage in Gerry's eyes when he kills Marcius.

T

Thanks for that information terezoulini ; but I am still confused with what this movie will be based on? Is it Shakespear or about a Mafia king? The mention of keeping or taking out the "Thee's and thy's" does not sound like something that includes "machine guns"!

They're taking the premise and modernizing it. The plot will be the same, but the setting, etc. will be different. It's Shakespeare modernized. Not sure how better to explain it.

I have an idea ... rent 10 Things I Hate About you. It was one of Heath Ledger's early films and it's The Taming of the Shrew modernized. THAT should give you a good idea of what we mean.

Or Richard III with Sir Ian McKellan, which was updated to pre WWII Europe. The setting was modernized but in all other aspects, it was Shakespeare's play, including language. (And it was phenomenal, imho)

In any case, they could go in either of the 2 directions cited above and depending on the adaptation, and considering the players involved, come up with a winning combination.

I haven't seen that, but I'll have to check it out! There's also, of course, Baz Lurhman's Romeo & Juliet with Leo DiCaprio. OMG what a phenomenal movie. Totally modernized with rival gangs, but left the Shakespearean language as well.

That would be so awesome if that's how they do Coriolanus! Oy to hear Gerry do Shakespeare! Talk about klenching!! :thud:

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West Side Story was a modernization of Romeo and Juliet. I believe in Coriolanus that Tullus Afidius is actually a good guy but a bad arse one.

Delene

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Re-reading this now and I am really looking forward to it if they stick with what's exactly in the play.

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West Side Story was a modernization of Romeo and Juliet. I believe in Coriolanus that Tullus Afidius is actually a good guy but a bad arse one.

Delene

Yes it was! I forgot about that. :) I LOVE West Side Story ... I haven't seen it in AGES.

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West Side Story was a modernization of Romeo and Juliet. I believe in Coriolanus that Tullus Afidius is actually a good guy but a bad arse one.

Delene

Yes it was! I forgot about that. :) I LOVE West Side Story ... I haven't seen it in AGES.

I didn't know that! I've been hooked on that movie since I think before I could barely read! Now I need to watch it again.

I would love to know if Gerry's going to use an Old English accent, or if they'll let him keep his Scottish slur. I'm torn between wanting his natural, or hearing him quote/paraphrase Shakespeare in English. :thud:

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We've all seen a bit of the dark side in G's chracters for a long time. (pause for klench)

I'm really looking forward to seeing him sink his teeth into a true "bad guy". I may need to re-read the play but I don't think there was the moral ambiguity we've seen before.

The way I read it (and maybe I'm wrong), Aufidius is not really a bad guy, he's more of a guy who was used by Marcius and then when the latter changed his plans, Aufidius felt quite betrayed and thus led to killing Marcius but almost regretting he was "made" to do this by Marcius the second after he realises he's killed him. These must be very powerful emotions to portray and I'm sure very challenging for Gerry and he can totally do it.

Theresa

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I would love to know if Gerry's going to use an Old English accent, or if they'll let him keep his Scottish slur. I'm torn between wanting his natural, or hearing him quote/paraphrase Shakespeare in English. :thud:

I don't think the Volscian general would come out great in English, it's a bit like the Spartan king, you want a bit of roughness, a bit of the Scottish lion. I think they might take the 300 approach, not too heavy a brogue but still keep the Scottishness.

Theresa

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So; it looks like he will be playing some kind of rogue? Good; I like it when he is being a bad guy! I always wanted him to play a role like Jekyle & Hyde; he could really do that justice. He has a way; like in Phantom; of being gentle or even crying one minute; then erupt into a fit of rage the next. He was born to be a bad arse...gulp..

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So; it looks like he will be playing some kind of rogue? Good; I like it when he is being a bad guy! I always wanted him to play a role like Jekyle & Hyde; he could really do that justice. He has a way; like in Phantom; of being gentle or even crying one minute; then erupt into a fit of rage the next. He was born to be a bad arse...gulp..

Oh no, poor Aufidius is not a rogue, only the Romans would think so, but he is definitely bad arse! :-)

Theresa

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